Hosts & people

Pat Flynn
Pat Flynn moved from architecture into online business after losing his job in June 2008. He created the Smart Passive Income podcast in 2010.
Biography, timeline & sources
Carl Mattiola
Mattiola describes researching a niche, interviewing prospective buyers and securing payment before developing a software solution. The interview also covers the transition from employment to running the business.
Biography, timeline & sourcesTopics discussed
Episodes & perspectives

Getting Paid Before Building the Solution
Mattiola describes researching a niche, interviewing prospective buyers and securing payment before developing a software solution. The interview also covers the transition from employment to running the business.

Bootstrapping a Startup with Nathan Barry from ConvertKit
Barry explains how he financed ConvertKit through customer revenue and personal funds. The discussion covers early growth, advisors, salaries, hiring and responding to criticism while developing a business.

Behind the Scenes of a Major Rebrand & Lessons Learned After a Hard Fail
Barry returns to discuss ConvertKit becoming Kit after an earlier rebrand was reversed. He explains the creator-focused product strategy, an app ecosystem and how broader functionality can coexist with a defined customer audience.
From the conversations
Research and paid commitments before development
Customer research and a paid commitment can precede software development. A completed product is not the only way to test an idea.
Research and paid commitments before development
Customer research and a paid commitment can precede software development. A completed product is not the only way to test an idea.
Research and paid commitments before development
Customer research and a paid commitment can precede software development. A completed product is not the only way to test an idea.
